Michael Caine: Boy, did we have fun
As his documentary about the 1960s opens, the veteran actor talks working-class culture, Woody Allen and why he never liked drugs
Now 84, Michael Caine has appeared in 127 films, including Zulu, Alfie and The Italian Job, and been Oscar-nominated six times, winning twice. Caine is the narrator, co-producer and star of new documentary film My Generation, about his journey through 1960s London.
What inspired you to make MyGeneration?
Simon Fuller [Spice Girls/Pop Idol svengali] and I are friends, and over dinner, conversation kept coming round to the 60s. He was too young, so was always asking about it. One evening he said, Lets make a documentary. You can tell the stories and Ill find the music. Its taken a few years, but thats what we did. I have a very good memory, which is fortunate at my age, so theres a lot of material left over. Were turning that into a six-part TV series.
The film is studded with star names, but they dont appear in traditional talking heads style. Why?
I interviewed loads of people McCartney, Twiggy, Roger Daltrey, Joan Collins but we ended up taking the footage out of the film. It screwed it up, because youre no longer immersed in the 60s, youre too busy going Oh look, hes gone bald, or Aint she got fat? So you only hear their voices; well use the footage in the TV series instead.
I thought the saying went If you remember the 60s, you werent reallythere?
Thats more the late 60s/early 70s. In the 60s, we were drinkers. What ruined the 60s, towards the end of the decade, were drugs. If people were taking cocaine, theyd start talking bollocks and not stop for hours. If they were on other drugs, theyd just sit around, going Wow, man. So it was either people talking too fast to understand, or people not saying anything at all. It brought to an end the 60s as we knew it which was a load of drunks getting up to all sorts and dancing like mad.
Is it true you smoked marijuana just the once?
Yes, and I laughed for five hours. I nearly got a hernia. I must have been very tense beforehand! When I left the party at 1am in Grosvenor Square, I was standing alone on a corner, roaring with laughter, and no cab would stop for me. I had to walk to my flat in Notting Hill, and when I got back, I vowed Id never take bloody drugs again. And I never did. Im not anti-drugs: Im sympathetic to people who take them, because theyve got themselves in a situation that I really do not envy. Most drugs are terrible at least marijuanas good for medicinal purposes.
You permanently had a fag in your mouth during the 60s, though
I smoked a lot, but Tony Curtis saved my life. I was at a party, chain-smoking by the fireplace, when a hand came round from behind me, took the cigarettes out of my pocket and threw them in the fire. I turned round and it was Tony Curtis. Wed never met, but he said: Ive been watching you, Michael. Youre going to die if you keep doing that, you idiot. So I quit.
I later took up cigars, but gave them up because of Hurricane Higgins, the snooker player. I knew Alex quite well, and one night I was smoking a cigar while watching TV. Alex came on the screen with a voice-box and I could see he was dying. I stubbed the cigar out in the ashtray and never smoked again.
In the documentary you sometimes seem like the more senior, sensible one
Well, I was a serious actor. Id spent nine years on stage and worked my way up to leading roles in movies. Id be up at 6.30am for a days worth of dialogue, so I couldnt stay up all night, dancing and getting laid. Dont worry, though between films Id go a bit mad.
My Generation has a 50/50 gender split of contributors. Did you insist onthat?
Absolutely. Im a feminist to the core. An interviewer once asked my wife, What first attracted you to Michael? and she said, The way he treated his mother. I respected women tremendously, right from the start. I just didnt know I was a feminist until they invented it.
Social change is a big theme in MyGeneration
Thats the serious point of the film, really. Society was transformed by the 60s. I was born during the Depression, then came the Blitz. I was evacuated and spent six years waiting for a telegram telling me my dad was dead. A tough start. Six years after the war, I was in the army myself first in the occupation force in Berlin, then the Korean war, fighting the Chinese. When I got home, London was all smog and rationing. The last straw was [Soviet leader] Khrushchevs speech saying they now had the atom bomb and could send it here in a rocket to annihilate us within four minutes. So the attitude became: Were miserable as sin, weve got four minutes to live, lets have some fun. And boy, did we have fun.
Was there a working-class takeover of culture?
Yeah, slowly but surely. Small things happened: Radio Caroline launched, before the BBC finally gave in and started playing pop music. Coffee bars started putting on live groups, like the Beatles. Discotheques arrived from Paris. The first night I went to the Ad Lib club run by my friend Johnny Gold, who later opened Tramp and called me Disco Mike every single Beatle and every single Rolling Stone was in there dancing. Pop culture went bang, exploded, and just kept going. Working-class kids everywhere
David Bailey and Terry ONeill became almost as famous as the people they were photographing. I shared a flat with Vidal Sassoon and got free haircuts. Terence Stamp was another flatmate. It seemed like everyone I knew became famous.
You were good friends with Roger Moore. Did his death last year hit you hard?
Yeah, we were close. But at my age, you get used to your friendsdying.
Youve been buddies with two Bonds, Moore and Connery. Who would you like to play 007 next?
Tom Hardy. And make him do a posh accent.
You won an Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters. What do you make of the accusations against Woody Allen?
I am so stunned. Im a patron of the NSPCC and have very strong views about paedophilia. I cant come to terms with it, because I loved Woody and had a wonderful time with him. I even introduced him to Mia [Farrow]. I dont regret working with him, which I did in complete innocence; but I wouldnt work with him again, no.
Last year, you were in yet another Oscar-nominated film, Dunkirk
Only a cheeky little cameo. Christopher [Nolan, director] and I have done six very successful films together. Im his good-luck charm. Or is he mine? Anyway, I had to be in Dunkirk, but there was no proper part for me because of my age. Instead I did the voice of the Spitfire squadron leader over the radio. I looked at the gross yesterday: half a billion. The lucky charm worked again.
You seem almost as busy as ever
Whats come into fashion, fortunately for me, is films for older people. Ever since The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel took $150m, theyve realised theres a generation who still go to the cinema. So last year I made Going in Style with Morgan Freeman and Alan Arkin, all of us in our 80s. Ive just done Night in Hatton Garden, about the oldest robbers in history. Its like the audience have grown up with me.
Tess Daly says youd be her dream celebrity contestant on Strictly Come Dancing. Fancy it?
Oh, really? Im afraid Im beyond that. She should be mighty relieved. I watch Strictly every weekend with my three grandchildren. We all shout out the scores together.
Was the 60s the best decade of yourlife?
At the time it was. Since then, my life has improved from decade to decade. My joy nowadays is not movies, money or women Ive been happily married for 45 years to the most wonderful woman I ever met its my grandchildren. Im devoted to them.
Youre 85 next week. How are you celebrating?
My wifes organising something but wont tell me what. My 80th was in Las Vegas with Quincy Jones. We call ourselves the celestial twins. He composed the music for The Italian Job and when he came on set, we worked out we were born at exactly the same hour. Were not identical twins, clearly, were celestial ones. One thing I love about Quince is hes always late for everything. He invited me around for lunch recently and he was an hour late. In his ownhouse.
Will you ever retire?
No. The movie business retires you. Ive just turned down a film, actually; but if I get a script I really want to do, I will. Im busy enough. Ive got the TV series and a book Im writing. I did a guide to acting, which went very well, so now Im writing one on stardom. Its full of funny stories and I name-drop like fury, obviously. You might have noticed.
My Generation is released 16 March. On 14 March a preview screening in cinemas will be followed by a live Q&A with Michael Caine, broadcast from BFISouthbank
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